They don't last. There have been 18 foam companies fail in Utah in the past 14 years. Folks, if foam worked I'd use it. I've been doing this for 20 years! When you have an issue in a year or so will your foam company still be around? The statistics say No. Ask the folks who used Level Up Concrete Jacking last year how their warranties are doing.
"It's New, it's the Latest Thing." The process has been around since World War II in the insulation industry and only recently have marketers tried to adapt it to the Concrete Raising industry.
"We use a special Poly Foam made for Concrete Raising." It's the same product you get in those little aerosol cans from Home Depot. You know, the stuff that discolors when the sun hits it and deteriorates in moisture.
You have already experienced it. When you drive on any of the newer sections of I-15 you are driving on it. Under the asphalt is a 6" layer of the same product we use, the special roadbase. We get it out of the same gravel pit. UDOT specifies it because it stays in place and won't make those ruts from the heavy trucks you used to see in asphalt.
Now, notice those sections at the approaches to the bridge decks on I-15 from Ogden to Brigham City? You know the ones, they are very rough, trucks bounce and every few years they do another fix? That's Foam. Eventually they will need to bite the bullet and tear them completely out and rebuild.
We even heard of a law suit at the Salt Lake International Airport against a foam company a few years ago that was settled and the records sealed.
If foam is so great, why don't Construction Managers lay out a layer of it before they pour concrete or lay asphalt? They use RoadBase, just like you would if you built your own home.
Just like WE USE.
Every year we get some local contractors sold on the Polyurethane Foam. They go to The World of Concrete show in Las Vegas and come back with the Equipment and fancy marketing material.
They have lots of marketing material to "sell" folks on the concept and it's always the same.
"Look at these pictures of the mud jackers. These jobs failed."
"The Mud Jackers are Dinosaurs, a dying breed. They use obsolete technology." Folks, the Obsolete Technology one works becauses we are conditioned to think newer is always better.
FACT: We agree somewhat. Mudjackers are a dying breed. We don't use MUD.
FACT: They don't use pictures of our jobs, they find others as we do have competitors and most of their jobs usually fail. They show our competitors jobs, not our work.
We aren't saying our jobs never fail, but when they do, we come out and fix them. We challenge these foam guys to find one single unsatisfied ConcreteJacking customer. They can't.
Really the "The Newest Thing?" Polyurethane Foam has been around since the beginning of World War II where it was used primarily in the insulation industry and only in the last 15 years have marketing companies tried to adapt it to the concrete industry. They are making a lot of claims so you need to get the facts.
One important fact is the Cost. Their numbers usually come in higher but lately, the current crop are discounting their prices becasue they are in serious trouble. It's lower your prices and try to get a few jobs or go out of business.
Here's the kicker...they include a contract with an escalator clause that if they use more material than expected, you pay more. We have NEVER seen a job where they didn't activate this clause, and guess what, you are Locked in, you signed a contract.
One of the points they continually make is "The holes we drill are much smaller."
Thats like saying after you use a different color of paint on a touch-up of your kitchen drawers, "Oh, it looks close, it's only a small touch-up." Wouldn't you use the same color of paint?
Isn't the issue How it Looks, not how big? We match the patch and after even just a few months, after it's completely cured, it's hard to spot.
There is a place for the Foam and it's NOT in Concrete Raising. It's been used for years in insulation and void fill but there are serious issues in Raising. Think about it. You are going to try and raise concrete that will weigh from 5,000 to 35,000 lbs. with foam that I can rip apart and even crush in my hand. I can show you 9 failures just from just the past few years (Two listed here.) We have already fixed five and are on schedule for two more.
So why do the manufacturers at these concrete shows push it?
Consider this. Say I'm an equipment manufacturer. I sell you a machine. I now only have a future opportunity of selling you parts.
BUT, if I sell you a Foam machine, I not only get your parts business but All the material you put through that machine, on every job you do. And I'll include a disclaimer that I'm not responsible for any warranty, you are. Good deal for me, bad deal for you and the consumer.
Now you see why most of these Foam guys usually go out of business in just a few years.
Their marketing makes a lot of claims.
"The Foam will not deteriorate." False. Water and the Sun's UV Rays will cause deterioration.
"You get 100% compaction." False. The product has millions of microscopic air holes. How else could I crush it or rip it apart with my hands?
"We Fill the Voids." You be the judge. Watch the video just above, or if you are on a cell phone that blocks video autoplay, click here. They try to get around this by drilling LOTS of holes as they know the void isn't filled properly.
"It's Totally Safe." By law, if asked they must supply an MSDS Sheet (Material Safety Data Sheet) which lists Poly Diisocyanate as a primary ingredient. Google it, judge for yourself.
We will readily supply the MSDS sheet for our product which is Gravel, Crushed Granite, Sand and a special Dirt we import.
And while you are reading their MSDS sheet, note the part about it being Flamable. Granted the chances of something burning under concrete are remote at best but it's good to know.
If you are convinced you need the Polyurethane Foam because you have bought into the marketing claims, we aren't your guys but I can help.
I have an associate in Utah County who added it just to cover those customers who insist on using foam. I can bring him in and we'll match the other Foam guys pricing, which is usually nearly Double our price. The product is shipped in from out of state so the shipping and handling must be covered.
That escalation clause must be added because of the expensive product.
AND, there will be some exclusions on the warranty.
The current crop of contractors say they will warranty but NONE of them have been in business for over two years. Talk to the two jobs we show below and ask them how that warranty turned out.
People find out Too Late they made a mistake.
It's not a matter of IF but WHEN it will fail.
If that happened to you, we can help.
Expensive!
They are VERY Expensive, usually TWICE what we charge.
In addition, were you hit by their escalation charge?
They have a little clause that says something to the effect if they use more material you pay more.
We have NEVER found a customer that paid the original pricing. The Foam guys ALWAYS charge more and guess what, you are on the hook, you signed a contract.
Let us know.
You might get a year, two at the most.
When it fails, even after you've had them back to warranty, give us a call.
Usually when you commit to foam you are stuck, but there is a chance we can help. We might be able to drill right through their stuff and when ours goes in, it will crush theirs so you get proper compaction.
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This Smithfield homeowner had the Foam Guys come out Three times till they said No More Warranty.
After Three tries, still not fixed.
Lundahl Building Systems had the Foam guys come out a couple of years ago on this High End cabin.
As you see, total failure.
This video is from a contractor in Wisconsin.
NEWS FLASH: Foam Lift is not new. Every 2 or 3 years we have a new crop of guys who attended a convention and come home with this "Latest and Greatest, Newest" equipment. In the 20 years I've been in business I've seen 16 of these companies come and go just in Utah. (There are Two new ones this year.) They spin a good marketing line and get some jobs because some people are gullible and like the title "new" even though it's nearly twice the price. Then these contractors are usually gone in a couple of years, about the time the warranties start to hit, just like the two I showed above.
And folks, I have 2 more jobs booked with unhappy foam customers who paid once for the foam, now they have to pay again to have it done right.